The Surge and Ramstein

Author Message   Earl Senior Member Username: Myramstein Post Number: 622 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 174.151.120.40 Posted on Tuesday, February 02, 2010 - 01:43 pm:    And now add the Hatti relief efforts.   Barry Cantor Senior Member Username: Barry_c Post Number: 958 Registered: 06-2003 Posted From: 65.210.169.2 Posted on Tuesday, February 02, 2010 - 01:17 am:    Here's another scenario: Active duty/reserve/ANG C-5 & C-17 aircraft and crews TDY to Ramstein & Spangdalhem for 30 days. Then they round robin Germany to downrange and back. Amount of flts back to Conus slightly increased, but not as much as everybody anticipates. Also, Charter passenger flts might go from Conus to Germany and back and military aircraft from Germany downrange. I don't think you'll see that many charters going direct downrange for security reasons. Just my speculation....I could be wrong.   Michael J. Martin New member Username: Csm_retired Post Number: 5 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 71.127.240.25 Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 03:14 pm:    Here is an interesting Stars & Stripes article on the sbject: http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=67632   Lindsey Bullock Member Username: Lindseyb Post Number: 12 Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 64.12.116.208 Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2010 - 12:06 am:    My husband just went through in Dec. and the had a layover of 19 days on their way to Afghanistan! They (the 20 or so soilders with his chinook) stayed at the Rhine Ordinance Barracks (or better known as the ROB) and not at lodging. Hope this helps someone.   Clifford Baker Member Username: Cliffbaker Post Number: 17 Registered: 09-2006 Posted From: 99.65.211.143 Posted on Saturday, December 26, 2009 - 05:13 pm:    FOR INFORMATION: 95 percent of troops go by commercial air. 55 percent of cargo goes by military air. of course, some troops will go with cargo.   Don R. Edwards Advanced Member Username: Don_edwards Post Number: 209 Registered: 06-2003 Posted From: 205.188.116.208 Posted on Monday, December 14, 2009 - 04:09 am:    I would expect, from previous experience, that most of the troops will move by charter aircraft. If they carry double crews, then the 10 hour crew duty day won't apply and all they will have to do at Ramstein is off load everyone into the terminal while they re-fuel. Then, back on the plane and off they go down range. If they only have one flight crew on board, then they will probably have to stop and get rooms so the crew can sleep. This is what would fill up the Ramstein lodging, as the charter flights will be many and close together, as no commander wants his troops to straggle into Afghanistan over a long time period. I doubt there will be any Space A opportunities on these charter aircraft.   D.B.M UK Senior Member Username: Overlandrover Post Number: 5410 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 88.108.91.198 Posted on Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 01:59 pm:    Tom, you know that if any fly on some cargo planes, they might have a reason to stay for a couple of days........I would think most would be on charter aircraft myself.   Tom DeMicke Senior Member Username: Typhoontom Post Number: 864 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 211.121.74.139 Posted on Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 07:55 am:    Why would 30,000 troops headed for the "desert" need rooms at Ramstein? Flight will probably just make a refueling stop at Ramstein and then continue on. But I think this is just anyone's guess...I plan on flying over around March and will just cross the bridge when I get there.   John R Garrison Senior Member Username: Majorg Post Number: 2188 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 79.206.16.163 Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 04:44 am:    Jerry: It's all just a guess. The article just puts the outside parameters (30,000 troops + equipment, early 2010, 1000 marines already on their way, in place by summer, via land,sea and air) on the Surge. Anything more specific would violate OPSEC. From the article, I surmise that Ramstein will probably see a surge in traffic for the next five months, more opportunities for westward (from Ramstein) SpaceA travel. and probably, less SpaceA accomodation opportunities at Ramstein. But, then again, that's just my guess. Happy Travels, John   Jerry Hunt Advanced Member Username: Exflier49 Post Number: 379 Registered: 07-2006 Posted From: 71.99.71.146 Posted on Tuesday, December 08, 2009 - 11:07 pm:    John, How does this article lead anyone to "what to expect"?   Ed C. Member Username: Veetee76 Post Number: 41 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 96.255.60.122 Posted on Tuesday, December 08, 2009 - 09:33 pm:    I'm guessing there will be more of an increase in flight opportunities coming back to CONUS than the other way around, given the direction all of the troops and equipment will be flying. Lots of full planes going East would seem to indicate lots of empty/less full planes coming back West.   D.B.M UK Senior Member Username: Overlandrover Post Number: 5403 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 88.108.33.225 Posted on Tuesday, December 08, 2009 - 06:50 am:    They way this reads to me, good to better chance getting flights, less on getting rooms.   John R Garrison Senior Member Username: Majorg Post Number: 2186 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 79.206.22.128 Posted on Tuesday, December 08, 2009 - 06:29 am:    Here's an article from Today's AF Mag Online that sheds some light on what to expect: "Tuesday December 08, 2009 Getting Them Over There: US Transportation Command officials are working out the details of delivering the additional 30,000 US troops and their equipment to Afghanistan by airlift, sea transfer, or land routes by the first half of next year under the Obama's Administration's new strategy. "In the coming weeks, we'll figure out how much needs to move in January, February, March to make sure we can meet the objectives of having all these forces in there by the summer," said Army Brig. Gen. Michael Lally, TRANSCOM's director of operations and plans. Already about 1,000 Marines are heading to Afghanistan as part of this build-up. TRANSCOM planners must meticulously synchronize the movement of these troops and materiel into the land-locked nation since the US military lacks the same type of intermediate staging area that it has in Kuwait for troops movements in and out of Iraq. (AFPS release by Jim Garamone)" happy travels, John   william brown Senior Member Username: Brown9bill Post Number: 507 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 108.0.100.243 Posted on Monday, December 07, 2009 - 10:10 am:    I was at Ramstein about 10 days ago and there is a lot of troop traffic going thru Lodging and Terminal facilities. Lodging was placing folks all over the base. We were lucky to get lodging at the new lodge facility and there was folks waiting for 6:00 P.M. to try for quarters in the new facility. I would not count on quarters once the surge began. Happy Travels.   Helen Hiatt New member Username: Ondepath Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2007 Posted From: 76.107.216.203 Posted on Monday, December 07, 2009 - 12:22 am:    Has and will The Surge affected Ramstein's lodging capability, particularly for Space A?